Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/index.php:1) in /var/www/vhosts/3-min.info/httpdocs/wp_201802/wp-includes/rest-api/class-wp-rest-server.php on line 1902 {"id":12258,"date":"2020-10-08T15:19:12","date_gmt":"2020-10-08T13:19:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.3-min.info\/?p=12258"},"modified":"2020-10-08T15:19:12","modified_gmt":"2020-10-08T13:19:12","slug":"santesuisse-veut-persuader-dapprouver-le-systeme-de-tarification-de-reference-avec-des-arguments-manipulateurs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/2020\/10\/08\/santesuisse-veut-persuader-dapprouver-le-systeme-de-tarification-de-reference-avec-des-arguments-manipulateurs\/","title":{"rendered":"sant\u00e9suisse veut persuader d\u2019approuver le syst\u00e8me de tarification de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence avec des arguments manipulateurs"},"content":{"rendered":"
Dans la Mise au point 03\/2020 Heinz Brand \u2013 pr\u00e9sident de sant\u00e9suisse \u2013 incite les repr\u00e9sentants du peuple \u00e0 voter pour le syst\u00e8me de tarification de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence, au nom des \u00e9lectrices et \u00e9lecteurs. Mais il le fait avec des chiffres et comparaisons manipulatrices. A l\u2019\u00e8re de Donald Trump, il semble qu\u2019il est d\u2019usage de manipuler les avis des gens avec des faits erron\u00e9s (fake news). Nous trouvons que c\u2019est condamnable pour une association influente et des politiciens en Suisse.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Dans l\u2019article mentionn\u00e9 un graphique montre que la Suisse se trouve au dernier rang avec un part de g\u00e9n\u00e9riques de 23%. Mais ce qui n\u2019est pas mentionn\u00e9, c\u2019est qu\u2019il ne s\u2019agit pas d\u2019une statistique standardis\u00e9e de l\u2019OCDE, donc \u00e0 priori une comparaison ne peut pas \u00eatre fait. Dans leurs publications, l\u2019OCDE elle-m\u00eame signale cette probl\u00e9matique tout le temps.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Pour montrer de mani\u00e8re simple ce que cela signifie, on peut comparer les infections quotidiennes au Covid-19 en Suisse et en Allemagne. Le 2 octobre, en Allemagne il y avait 2’673 nouvelles infections, en Suisse 552. Qu\u2019est-ce qu\u2019on est bien en Suisse\u00a0!<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Probablement personne ne tomberait dans ce pi\u00e8ge car on sait qu\u2019en Allemagne il y a environ 10 fois plus d\u2019habitants, ce qui relativise tout. Mais ces chiffres ne peuvent pas non plus \u00eatre compar\u00e9s directement car le nombre de tests qui sont faits dans les deux pays ont \u00e9galement une influence dans la comparaison.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Avec cet exemple on voit clairement que ce n\u2019est pas simple de comparer des chiffres si la condition de la base n\u2019est ni la m\u00eame ni standardis\u00e9e. Le graphique de sant\u00e9suisse est en gros comme un sch\u00e9ma qui confronte les chiffres de 2\u2018673 et 552 et les compare.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Les conditions par pays concernant la comparaison des g\u00e9n\u00e9riques sont in\u00e9galement complexes et contradictoires. Dans les pays mentionn\u00e9s il y a diff\u00e9rentes d\u00e9finitions de \u00ab\u00a0g\u00e9n\u00e9rique\u00a0\u00bb, diff\u00e9rentes distinctions, diff\u00e9rents march\u00e9s r\u00e9f\u00e9renc\u00e9s, d\u2019autres concepts de mesures, diff\u00e9rentes proportions de parties du march\u00e9 pouvant \u00eatre occup\u00e9s par des g\u00e9n\u00e9riques, etc.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Nous n\u2019avons pas non plus envie de mentionner les \u00e9ternels lamentations des prix deux fois plus \u00e9lev\u00e9s en Suisse que chez nos voisins. Un d\u00e9tail suppl\u00e9mentaire\u00a0: Monsieur Brand gagne probablement deux fois plus que son homologue allemand. Ce qui est \u00e9galement pris en charge par le payeur de primes.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
La manipulation continue dans l\u2018article: \u00ab De nombreux m\u00e9dicaments dont le brevet est \u00e9chu ont des \u00e9quivalents g\u00e9n\u00e9riques contenant les m\u00eames principes actifs, comme p. ex. pour le \u00ab Dafalgan \u00bb (parac\u00e9tamol) le g\u00e9n\u00e9rique \u00ab Parac\u00e9tamol Sandoz \u00bb. Si les g\u00e9n\u00e9riques \u00e9taient syst\u00e9matiquement prescrits, des millions de francs pourraient \u00eatre \u00e9conomis\u00e9s chaque ann\u00e9e sans perte de qualit\u00e9. \u00bb<\/em><\/p>\n <\/p>\n On ne fait ici pas la comparaison entre un m\u00e9dicament pour lequel le brevet est arriv\u00e9 \u00e0 expiration et un g\u00e9n\u00e9rique mais entre deux g\u00e9n\u00e9riques. Si on regarde de plus pr\u00e8s, les circonstances sont ainsi:<\/p>\n Pour la plus petite bo\u00eete de comprim\u00e9s Dafalgan 1 gramme on paye 7.20 francs, pour la bo\u00eete de Parac\u00e9tamol Sandoz 7.65 francs. Si nous voulons faire comme sant\u00e9suisse, nous devons dissimuler au lecteur qu\u2019il s\u2019agit d\u2019une bo\u00eete de 16 pi\u00e8ces concernant Dafalgan et de 20 pi\u00e8ces concernant Sandoz. Si on en tient compte, un seul comprim\u00e9 Dafalgan co\u00fbte 0.45 francs contre 0.385 francs pour le comprim\u00e9 Sandoz. Ajoutons le fait que le Dafalgan est un comprim\u00e9 pellicul\u00e9, qui a beaucoup plus d\u2019avantages et ne peut donc pas \u00eatre compar\u00e9 directement. Ceci est plus avantageux pour les assurances car la vente se fait par bo\u00eete et que celle de Dafalgan est moins ch\u00e8re.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n Pour en rester au Dafalgan: s\u2019il est judicieux de prescrire le prix, d\u00e9fini par l\u2019\u00e9tat, pour une bo\u00eete d\u2019analg\u00e9sique Dafalgan 500 mg \u00e0 2.45 francs (donc moins cher qu\u2019une bo\u00eete de Ricola!) c\u2019est une autre histoire.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n Pour nous c\u2019est clair: si on veut persuader d\u2019approuver le syst\u00e8me de tarification de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence avec des arguments manipulateurs, il n\u2019y a apparemment pas de bons arguments \u2013 car il n\u2019y a pas d\u2019arguments pour la Suisse.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n <\/p>\n <\/p>\n <\/p>\n \u00a9 Image by Adobe Stock<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Dans la Mise au point 03\/2020 Heinz Brand \u2013 pr\u00e9sident de sant\u00e9suisse \u2013 incite les repr\u00e9sentants du peuple \u00e0 voter pour le syst\u00e8me de tarification […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":12252,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"default","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"default","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"default","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[61],"tags":[47,50],"class_list":["post-12258","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-actuel","tag-prix-des-medicaments","tag-santesuisse-fr"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/www.3-min.info\/wp_201802\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/10\/Brennpunkt_santesuisse.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12258","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12258"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12258\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12259,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12258\/revisions\/12259"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/12252"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12258"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12258"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/3-min.info\/fr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12258"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}